Anushka Chowdhury

Anushka Chowdhury

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An interview with
Sriram Gopalaswamy,
Marketing Head — Commercial Segment, Lenovo, India

Q. What makes Inbound Marketing beneficial for organizations right now?
Before looking at Inbound and Outbound Marketing, I’d like to discuss an intermediate success step — inbound or outbound lead, as a sales pipeline qualifier. If you look at it quantifiably, inbound leads deliver a 3–4 time higher closure rate than outbound leads. So, theoretically, Inbound Marketing (IM) is better!

However, the underlying deployment factors make the question harder to answer, something that I will talk about here. I should warn you beforehand that I’m not going to use the widely accepted ‘attract-convert-close-delight’ framework to describe Inbound Marketing in any of my answers below.

Q. Why should businesses invest in Inbound Marketing as compared to Outbound Marketing?
Typically, in a B2B scenario, it is always prudent to invest in Outbound Marketing (OM) since it is immediate. The target audience is finite and largely measurable, and it does not require complex MarTech investments. Sales teams love outbound leads — these are qualified customer opportunities and have the potential to be closed favorably.

Inbound Marketing requires patience and oodles of creativity to attract customers and provide the right kind of engagement at every step of their journey. More importantly, different customer segments could follow different journeys, which need to be mapped out — a complex task in itself. And even great marketers won’t be able to churn out five-star-rated content every time.

In a stable B2B segment, I’d advocate the 70–30 method. Spend 70% of your resources on developing immediate prospects, and invest the rest in building an IM infrastructure and, more importantly, the thinking and executive-level alignments required to make the shift. In case you want to move away from the status quo, and are contemplating an IM vs OM scenario from a fresh perspective, here’s what you can do.

If your brand awareness is significant, you should invest more in OM while pushing the business to expand on scale of reach — since people know you, you may be present in the consideration set, but missing out because of your reach or inability to communicate better. Remember, your channel partner/salesperson’s ability to project trust and close deals is key here.

If your brand awareness is low and sales reach is limited, you must invest in IM. Typically, startups fall under this category. And I can speak from experience about one such startup I recently advised. Great product, great value proposition when communicated to investors and a few alpha customers. But they struggled to attract customers who are widely dispersed without a standard method to reach them. My first piece of advice was to break the customer behavior into habits and then start with cleanly worded advice carefully placed in an online forum they frequent (a familiar surrounding) — the message phrase being quantifiably shocking to elicit clicks, and the content being delightfully engaging to read. Then lead the customers to your web page, where you provide an opportunity to engage with them in a manner that befits their expectations.

How can Inbound Marketing help brands generate higher ROI and offer better results?
Now, there are doubts about the efficiency of IM as a technique. But to come to an ROI discussion, we need to examine costs. I’ve typically noticed that the cost per lead on IM is 4–5 times of that on OM. Now, given the fact that the efficiency is 3–4 times, it is a fine line of being able to optimize CPLs (Cost Per Lead).

IM can be optimized for CPLs through the efficiency of media and creative. Often there is a tussle between both! To optimize media, one could work with media at a strategic level, define common performance indicators, and drive mutual goals to increase productivity of spends. The alternative is to look at pitting multiple media against each other in a battle for share of spends to essentially bring down costs.

To optimize creative is much harder — it includes more insight-led questions that stare at marketers every day. It is about merging customer insights with contemporary topics of interest in a subtle yet persuasive manner. A not-so-great yet I-have-to-use-here example is to try to pitch a Client Security feature by tying it to a Netflix Black Mirror episode!

Another problem marketers face is that not all the best ROI models deliver scale. Scale and ROI continue to trouble the likes of myself to no end and my primary responsibility is to crack the equation every time. But I do try to overcome the problem by using a mix of IM and OM — OM delivers scalability by uncovering large potential requirements, while IM delivers ROI.

According to you, what are the best Inbound Marketing strategies for a successful campaign?
I would recommend the following Inbound Marketing strategies:

  1. Content on-site and search: This is the most appealing form of Inbound Marketing, where you seed content on the website and drive traffic to the site using search keywords.
  2. Content off-site: This is about sponsoring space on a third-party site and placing content to drive site visits.
  3. Personal branding: In a country like India, where we create heroes every day, personal branding on social media can be a very effective tool to generate interest.
  4. Contact generation: This involves a lot of creative ideation to find out what could be the best method to prepare a prospect list. A small prospect list is easy. Getting to a larger prospect list can be a tricky proposition — and sometimes you can use a content off-site strategy with unrelated, but more clickable, content to generate leads.

How can Inbound Marketing use digital marketing to drive better results?
Digital marketing is an evolving field and I strongly recommend a continuous experimentation methodology to keep abreast of new technologies. Here is what I have experienced while experimenting with many things in general:

1. Keywords are important to own: Include certain specific keywords or phrases that can build an association with your product or solution. It may sound as audacious as ‘Elemental Transformation’ but helps form an association.

2. Form-fills can get boring: Try using smart forms. If you have the volume and resources, try chat or even WhatsApp if you expect traffic on mobile.

3. How much of your actual offering experience can you drive online: Free trials, webinars, and assessment reports based on automated questionnaires.

4. Manage your reputation: Get your customers, partners, and media to talk about you online. Reputation content often has a half-life and loses relevance after six months, typically.

5. Sharper audience tracking: You could have a prospect list — nothing is more delightful than having a potential customer reach out to you digitally before you reach out to them. In which case, you can explore options of letting them know that they are a top priority and hence are entitled to above-normal engagement.

6. Mapping social networks and forums: This could be useful in connecting with them through professional social networks like LinkedIn.

7. Location-based targeting: A major event is happening and it’s too expensive for you to participate? Try location-based pinpointed targeting.

What’s your go-to Inbound Marketing checklist for greater impact?
I would break down the components of a successful Inbound Marketing campaign in the following manner:

  1. Content creation: This is the most difficult thing to start. Force a biweekly Friday deadline to get things moving. Remember that content can be tweaked over a period of time and, more importantly, re-hashing and re-promoting your old posts is completely acceptable. Long-form content shows your expertise in the subject and attracts CXOs. One of the easiest and most liked forms of content is resource lists. Your readers should be able to draw a distinct personality from all your content.
  2. Defining a next-step engagement: It could be a free trial or download. At the least, put up a quiz so you can attract people and collect email IDs for your newsletter!
  3. Contact generation through some crazy thinking: Look at some alternate ways of getting contact details of potential customers and building your database. You could create what I call ‘side content’, which is not related to your business but still targets the same customer base. Or collaborate with a business that is complementary in offering but targets the same audience as you.
  4. Split-second response generation: This is the most overlooked part of demand generation today. In most cases, queries are passed around until someone picks them up, without giving a thought to what kind of enquiries may come on. It makes sense to think through all possible cases of inbound interest, and prepare appropriate revert mechanisms for the same. A lot of it could be how to ensure staying in touch for six months or more until an opportunity pops up. My recommendation is to have a qualification mechanism in place that can respond to customers ideally within the hour.

What are the digital platforms that you usually target that are effective from a business point of view?
Today, most companies have a reliable CRM solution — a great starting point for Inbound Marketing. Google follows the list for intelligent keyword search targeting and re-marketing. For Lenovo, I am slowly realizing the potential that LinkedIn offers, and my focus on this platform is gradually growing. I am not so active on Facebook for targeting businesses based purely on my judgement from the last few campaigns I’ve run on this platform.

How much time should a brand invest to quickly generate results?
When you do start a pilot, it takes at least three months to effectively monitor and calibrate actions to improve results. I typically define early signs within a two-week time frame and a follow-through every week. Post a three-month pilot, it takes us another quarter to scale up and run a campaign effectively.

Which tools or platforms are most handy for effective Inbound Marketing?
There are three things to look at while implementing IM. You need a platform for contact discovery — so either use digital means like Crunchbase, Linkedin, and InsideView, or go the traditional route like most B2B companies — telecalling.

You’ll then need a platform to register multiple signals from the customer. This platform could be an extension of your CRM or a dedicated marketing automation platform such as Marketo, Eloqua, or Unica.

You need to apply your industry-specific parameters to know how to interpret signals (classify them as strong or weak) and tweak your platform accordingly over a period of time. For some, an email from the customer can be the strongest indication of willingness to buy. For others, an email is just a query and not a purchase intent.

According to you, which brands have mastered the art of Inbound Marketing, and why?
I think premier educational institutes do some of the best work in Inbound Marketing.

Harvard Business Review, I consider as a stellar example in drawing target audiences across their various educational and industry connect initiatives. Interestingly, they have been at it long before the digital beast came into existence. On a more recent note, I think Zendesk is creating a plethora of exciting content at different levels, and Trello is using customer advocacy as a potent tool.


Market Well to Millennials. Or Nothing!


Why are millennials the most powerful consumers today?

Well, there are couple of reasons to start with. Firstly, the mere size of the millennials. Since they form the largest demographic today, no brand can afford to turn a blind eye to them. Their willingness to splurge, the fear of missing out, and living for the moment are some of the core beliefs that dominate most decisions. As a result, the disposable income is going up, whereas savings are going down. As they are extremely large in terms of size and the amount of money they can roll out, no one can ignore the millennials — be it today or in the near future.

To understand what makes them so powerful, it is important to discover what these millennials are demanding that the other segments are not. Thanks to the digital revolution today, access to information is now easier, connection between peers is better, and exposure to global trends is greater. These lead to a shift in the the balance of power in their favor.

This actually keeps brands on their toes. There is a lot more nimbleness that is needed considering how dynamic they are since they keep moving from one brand to the other. So, every brand needs newer modes and mediums of communication if they are serious about targeting this particular consumer set.

According to you, what do millennials look for?

If I look at it from a utility perspective, a lot has changed of what they demand from a particular brand in terms of experience, products, and services. Today, one needs to focus on the entire journey of catching a bait and making the purchase. And millennials want this experience to be seamless, easy, and as friendly as possible. Since attention time is very limited, it’s best not to frustrate them.

What do you predict to be the next big thing in the millennial marketing trend?

In terms of platform, mobile is certainly the next big thing. And we have enough statistics to establish that this is where it’s headed. It moved from chalk to ink, ink to print, print to desktop, and now desktop to mobile. And one can certainly expect mobile to dominate this domain for the next 3-4 years.

However, conceptually, the next big thing in millennial marketing is collaboration. Although over the past 7 years Jockey has been invested in catching attention and retaining it, collaboration will give the opportunity to take this experience a step ahead. So, give your consumers the canvas and let them become a part of the brand, while we take a backseat and become a facilitator alone. Like most brands, Jockey is also hopping onto this bandwagon and curating content from the consumer segment.

Marketing to millennials

Millennials form a great part of the Jockey TG as well. How did you come up with a positioning tailored to them?

In a large way, Jockey has been very lucky since the values and the persona of the brand matches the mindset of the millennials of today. So, we were never required to chase a particular segment and tailor our positioning to them. It is what the brand from within imbibes as a personality since inception. And fortunately the millennials share the same values.

As a brand, we have only tweaked our marketing approach to keep up with the changing times. In fact, we have not exactly changed the fundamental way of communication, but have changed more in terms of our modes of communication — choice of medium or the type of content we create.

Describe Jockey in 3 words validating why it’s a success with millennials.

Fun, effortless, and genuine all the way! Although millennials believe in being fun and letting their hair down, deep inside there’s a sense of being real — having an identity and being genuine about it. And we boost that philosophy at all stages, in terms of the brand image and the products we make.

How do you tailor the marketing based on the culture of different countries?

Despite a stark difference in structure, our fundamental values remain consistent across geographies and markets. We take a neutral stand, whether political or religious, and come forth as fun, young, and progressive brand. And these are defined at a global level. As far as that’s adhered to, the brand operates very differently based on the kind of consumers and the level of maturity. Since local offices have a better understanding of the market, we take care of the end-to-end process — from conceptualization to production.

 Could you share your expert insight and advice on how other brands can find success in the millennial segment like Jockey?

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So, if a brand is serious about winning their customers and keeping them, they should connect with them rather than lure them. Because, although millennials have lots of options, they prefer brands that speak to them for who they are.

What’s your most successful campaign and why did it work so well from the POV of millennials?

All our campaigns are targeted to the millennials. Since we are trying to improve with every campaign, let me talk about the latest one — sports performance and active bra. Like always, we did the traditional — in terms of communication, the shoot, the music, and the right media plan. But what we did more is tagging in an influencer campaign with this to get the customers involved with the campaign directly.

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Which other brands do you think are targeting the millennials the best?

This is a personal choice. Innocent, LuluLemon, and Urban Outfitters are some of the global brands that I follow for their innovative marketing techniques. And Adidas and GoPro in India are doing a commendable job in the Indian market.